Joe’s Reply

I don’t know how to put something on the IBM blog. I am hoping you can help me with that. With the following.

I received some feedback as to my email I wrote you last Sunday and thought I would re-write my thoughts and see if this clears up some of the confusion.

Hello all Joe from Wacky Zack’s Magic here.

I am sorry my email that was inspired by Jeff McBride email ‘At war No More’ was a bit confusing as to my point.

What I was trying to get across was the idea of a royalty or a lisc of the use of a routine. A way where a performer one gets paid for their material but, also gives a person who wishes to use the material the ability to do so if the performer wants there to be an option for that.

I agree that if a magician or performer of any form creates a routine. It is theirs and NO one has the right to use it with out permission. I am also not saying that all performers should just offer this option. It is something each performer has to decide for him/herself.

So, my thought is to create a group or organization like BMI or ASCAP where material can be lisc and used. This is ONLY though if the performer wishes to do that. If they don’t then it would be obvious that a person is just stealing the material. I have also had this done in my career and I agree with those that are upset by it. Its wrong and it should not be done.

I tried to give the example of one singer singing a song and then it being redone by another performer. I understand some think this is a bad comparison. So, how about this one. It would be as if an author wrote a play and then it is is interpreted differently from one director to another. The words stay the same but, how it is interpreted might change. I used the singing aspect as I was listening to music when I wrote the original email and was thinking of BMI and ASCAP. However, for the play aspect you could have the same kind of lisc arrangement as Dramatist and Samuel French.

I did understand Jeff’s point that is his frustrated and just tired of dealing with the lawsuits and thieves. So he is making his routines available for sale and doing what he can. It was reading what he wrote that inspired this thought and idea.

My thought is if you had an organization in place they could take charge of the lawsuits and/or sending a cease and desist letter. This would free up the creator of the magic to not have to deal with all the stress. I am not sure the best way to put a system in place but, I think it could be very valuable in many ways.

My couldn’t magicians, comics or other talent based entertainers get together and create this type of organization? That way there is some protection and perhaps even a formal standard. They could get some kind of formal lisc agreement or certificate like the way a patent issues a certificate.

I know through the course of my life I have seem performers use routines I know that someone else has created or at least used. I might not know who actually created it but, I have seen it before. How does anyone know if permission was actually given? So, this was one part of what I was trying to say.

The other part I know is more debatable. That is if someone buys a routine and then uses it for their own purposes. I think if it is done the right way and the creator of the routine gives permission then it is fine that this other performer is using it. However, I also think if any performer is worth their salt they are going to take that routine and put their own twist on it making it more their own and to fit the audience. I just want to stress though I am only ok with this IF the creator gives permission or makes their routine available for reuse.

So, again this is just one mans opinion. If you do not agree that is ok you are free to disagree. I am just trying to think out of the box and think how I can help to improve this industry I love so much and has given me more than I could ever ask.

Best wishes to all,

Wacky Zack’s Magic

WHATSIT? Drawing at the December 6th Christmas Party

WHATSIT? Drawing at the December 6th Christmas Party

Again this year when you stroll through the dining area at the Clubhouse you will see a table near the front door that has a glass display case with a mysterious piece of vintage magic apparatus residing therein.

Your challenge is to write your name on one side of a slip of paper and the name of this apparatus on the other side. Deposit this slip of paper into the clear Magic Top Hat positioned near the glass case.

Later in the evening there will be a FREE WHATSIT? DRAWING where names will be pulled from the Magic Top Hat and those lucky people will receive a magic gift. (Don’t worry about not knowing the identity of the mystery item because there will be a catalog nearby with the description clearly indicated.)

All of this in addition to the separate FREE RAFFLE TICKETS for another completely different prize for those who perform a 2 minute trick for the assembled throng of partygoers.

Remember the CHRISTMAS GRAB BAG, too!

Visit for additional information or call our Prez, Frank @ (602) 818-1893 or Leigh @ (480) 221-5869. Be sure to let us know how many will be in your party so we will be sure to have enough catered food. (YUM!)

‘See you at the party!!!

Oceanside Magic Invitational–April 9-12, 2015

Greetings, Fellow Magi–

Just a note to remind you that registration is open for the 2nd Annual Oceanside Magic Invitational–April 9-12, 2015! Cape Cod is once again the place to be for what Jay Scott Berry (2014 OMI headliner) proclaimed “quite simply one of the finest boutique conventions in the world”. Held literally “oceanside” at the beautiful Red Jacket Beach Resort in South Yarmouth, MA, this year’s convention features another roster of world-class lecturers and performers:

Oscar Munoz
Ariann Black
Kevin and Robin Heller
Mickey Silver
Andrew Pinard
Harry Allen
Kozmo Koz
Becky Blaney
and introducing young magicians Daniel Cipolla and Andrew Cipolla

OMI has awesome dealers too:

Diamond’s Magic
Daytona Magic
John Henry’s World of Magic
Kozmo Koz/Reel Magic Magazine
Tailored Magic
…and others TBA!

Special Guest and Honoree will be Alan Wassilak from Boston, magician, writer, and illustrator, of “Basil the Baffling and Chloe” fame (M-U-M readers, you know who I mean!).

Rates are just $175 Full, $110 Companion, and include ALL lectures, shows, dealers, auction, plus FREE all-you-can-eat buffet lunch on Friday and Saturday! Rates go up on December 1, so register soon. This is one of the best “deals” in the magic convention world. For details and to register, visit our website,

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Upcoming Magic Events

Happy Thanksgiving! I hope everyone is stuffed and happy tomorrow.

Just a reminder that we have a SAM meeting on December 10th. Arnaud Ehgner will be our guest lecturer. I should have a bit more info for everyone in the next week or so.

Coming up next month.

“An evening with Larry Becker” will happen Tuesday January 20th. This will be more like a “fireside chat” than a regular lecture.

Rob Zabrecky Magic Shows in Arizona

Greetings Leigh,
My name is Rob Zabrecky and I’m a magician from Los Angeles. I’m coming to Arizona to present my one person show for two nights in January 2015. I wanted to share the dates with you in the event you might be willing to share them with the folks in your ring. I’d be grateful for any awareness you can bring to the shows.
Here’s some info:
Friday, January 23 in Phoenix at the Crescent Ballroom:
Saturday, January 24 in Tuscon at the Hotel Congress:
Thanks — I appreciate your time. It would be great to meet some of Arizona’s magic community at one or both of these shows!
Rob Zabrecky

Joes Spin on Copy Performers

Subject: RE: Jeff McBride at war! No more!
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:32:34 -0700

That is very interesting.
I don’t know Jeff myself but, would love to meet him. If I had the chance to talk to him. Something, I have thought about on this issue. Is why don’t performers who give proper permission to a performer for using an effect or routine offer something a little extra.
I have don’t something like this to certain students and performers I have had over the years.
The creator in this case McBride could give an endorsement of that performer doing whatever routine.
I personally think it does not lesson either performance. As I believe it was Devant said it first that it is not about the secret of trick or effect. It is about the performer and the presentation.
I think that even if a performer copies a performance exactly that another performer created. If the performer who is recreating it has any salt as a performer he/she will put their own spin on it in time.
I like to give the example of this like a song two singers sing. Take My Way it has been done by many artists. The ones that come to mind for me is Frank Sinatra and Elvis. They sing the same song but, it is done very different from both artists and it in my opinion invokes a different emotion.
It could be something as simple as a performer sends in a request of permission and the creator (McBride) sends them some kind of letter or email that allows them to use the routine. Or if a performer was to sell a routine or lisc the routine they could charge for it based on the negotiations.
Either way this would give the performer control of his/her material and the performer the ability to even market their performance.
How could this idea be passed though out the magic community?
Do you think my thinking is flawed at all?
Please feel free to share my thoughts with anyone you like. I am nothing special just a man with an opinion and ideas. Maybe I am missing something or perhaps there is a different opinion that could change my thinking.
Thanks for passing this around it is very interesting what McBride is doing.
Wacky Zack’s Magic